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Today we welcome our friend and conference pal, Harry Duran. Harry is the founder of Fullcast.co where he empowers thought leaders to amplify their authority through the power of podcasting.

Harry shares his journey from dot com startups and building a mobile app for DJs to growing his podcasting service through podcasts about entrepreneurs. He gives us his tips on creating the perfect audiograms to post on social media and his algorithm tripping secrets for using LinkedIn. Plus much more on how podcasting can help grow your business.

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MORE ABOUT HARRY DURAN:

Harry Duran is Founder of FullCast, a full-service, done-for-you podcast production and marketing consultancy. He helps brands and high-performing entrepreneurs amplify their authority and extend their reach through the power of podcasting.

As Host of the popular Podcast Junkies on iTunes since 2014, Harry has had conversations with over 200 interesting and engaging podcast personalities.

Harry has spoken on stage about the importance of finding your voice and why long-term engagement with your podcast guests is key. Harry shares lessons learned from his first 25 interviews in his book, Around the Podcast Campfire.

 

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Stefanie LaHart: 00:00 Today. We welcome our friend and conference bell. Harry Duran. Harry is the founder of Fullcast.co where he empowers thought leaders to amplify their authority through the power of podcasting. Harry shares his journey from.com startups and building a mobile app for DJs to growing his podcasting service through podcast about entrepreneurs. He gives us his tips on creating the perfect audio grams to post on social media and his algorithm tripping secrets for using LinkedIn, plus much more on how podcasting can help your business.

Stefanie LaHart: 01:16 And today. I am so excited to welcome to the show Mr. Harry Duran, who is the founder of Fullcast.co a full service done for you podcast production and marketing consultancy. He helps brands and high-performing entrepreneurs amplify their authority and extend their reach through the power of podcasting. I have been lucky enough to be acquainted with our friends with Harry now for a couple of years. I think we originally met at pod Fest. That was, but then or did you and I run into each other at that SilverLake mixer first. I can’t remember which way it was.

Harry Duran: 01:48 Business mixer until [inaudible].

Stefanie LaHart: 01:49 Yeah, which is also the power of going to local mixers, which will be a topic of a future show. But thank you so much for being on the show, Harry. I really appreciate you taking the time to talk to us. A welcome to the true digital podcast.

Harry Duran: 02:03 Thanks so much, Stephanie for inviting me and I’m grateful for this time to share my story with your audience.

Stefanie LaHart: 02:09 Awesome. So, yeah, like I mentioned, Harry is not only a podcast there, but he has really built his business through podcasting and social media as well. And he’s done it in a really intentional and kind of, I say, just super genuine way, which I really love. You know, I actually just had on our show, Heather Heuman, who is also in social media marketing, and I said, what I loved about her was that she’s not one of those people that is out in the social media space screaming the big kind of glossy look at me, look at me. I’m the, I’m the guru. I’m the best, you know, there’s kind of screaming people and I find that Harry, you’re the same way. You’re very, you know, kind of just kind of this mellow, approachable person doing things in a very genuine way. And I was like, you know, this is somebody that resonates with me because for is a lively, as I add where you meet me in person, you don’t really, that’s kind of my vibe. I’m much more laid back, intentional and thoughtful than I think sometimes people even know about me. But yeah. So I love what you have been able to do through using podcasting and social media to really get the word out about full cast and what you do. So can you tell me a little bit about what that journey was, you know, was the podcast and kind of the launching point for your business or where did that start?

Harry Duran: 03:20 Yeah, I think the, the quick story is that I was in corporate America for about 20 plus years and I like to say that I was like listening to other people’s voices. And so like the first one was like my, my father like wanted me to go to college and he’s like, Oh, this is like, he would play these tapes. Like these I’m thinking grow rich like Napoleon Hill, like vinyl too. And, and cause I think I was cassettes at the time and so I probably wish I’d paid more attention back then. And then, but that never happened cause I had gotten a full time job at a, at a, at a bank and I thought I had made it, I was wearing a suit and tie and I was like, Oh, this is it. I’m going to be successful. And then eventually I made it to corporate life.

Harry Duran: 03:57 I got a a really well paying job, but there was always like this seed of like some, some other opportunities. Thankfully I had a really good boss that I called my corporate godfather. He kept like promoting me and his was like the second voice. At one point. He’s like, you know, that six figure salary means you’re like in the top 10% of all income earners. And I was like, Oh, this is it. Like I had made it, but there was always like this entrepreneurial seed planted in me. And then when the.com craze came in 1999, I left for like the first time I left and I was convinced that this is my shot at.com millions. I cashed out my 401k to zero and I was like needless to say we’d probably be in a different place if that had worked out. It did.

Harry Duran: 04:38 And so I ended up back in corporate America and I was, I thankfully had connections and I got started to work on that again. But the next opportunity came when I, I had an opportunity to connect with my older, my half brother. He lived in Atlanta at the time and so I went, I went there, I did that for a little while and I actually went to construction of all things like, like, so I was in it, I was doing digital, like eBusiness type stuff and I went to go, I literally like Scott climbing a scaffold wearing a hardhat. And I did that for like two years. I learned how to read blueprints, which was pretty awesome. You know what they say about working with family? Like I ended up back at home, like I think it was 2004 I took a flight back to New York, like with my tail between my legs, cause I was forced to go live with my parents at like, yeah, at 34 was crazy.

Harry Duran: 05:32 But the, you know, I got it. I got back in the corporate life. I was working for that again. And then I, I was always, always been a fan of music or Tronic music deejaying. I grew up like DJ turntables and vinyl and all that sort of stuff. So I created a mobile app called know your DJ. And I thought I was wanting to interview DJs. So I went to a podcasting conference. It’s called new media. It was actually a new media expo. It was actually a new media is a YouTube podcasting and blogging. And so it was there that I had the idea that I was gonna start a podcast to promote the app. And then I started talking to all these podcasts, seeing all these podcasts. There’s like Pat Flynn was there, Amy Porterfield, and I said, maybe I should change gears. I’m so fascinated.

Harry Duran: 06:12 I remember this show called inside the actor’s studio where they would interview actors. And I was like, what if I did that for podcasters? So that’s where podcast junkies was born. And I just started a natural curiosity face to face conversations like we’re having now because it’s so powerful. I think one of the hidden secrets of podcasting is the ability to network and make connections with people that you can establish long time relationships with. And so that’s what I did. And I have this mantra of treating every guests like gold. And so it’s been 200 plus episodes since 2014 still going strong, a weekly show. And it’s been a fascinating way to build my connection in the podcast and community. So that’s one of the important takeaways. Like wherever community you’re trying to establish growth in, you know, make yourself known within and be genuine and trying to like establish connections and friendships with people in that community.

Harry Duran: 07:04 And in my case, it’s meta. It’s a podcast about podcasting. So I do, I go to podcasting conferences. And then what happened at the time is I didn’t really have a lot of digital marketing entrepreneurial like skills. So I hired a business coach and there’s a famous inspirational speaker by the name of Jim Roan who says, you are the average of the five people you spend the most time with. And, and that sort of hit home for me because I was like, I don’t really have a lot of entrepreneurial friends. And so, you know, I paid a pretty decent amount of money every month to a coach and I learned quickly on more quickly on what I didn’t know. As an entrepreneur, you need to be comfortable failing and getting back up because I think we think like we’re gonna if the first one you don’t get out of the park, then then we’re a failure.

Harry Duran: 07:49 But I think what I learned along the way is like, you just have to learn how to fail fast and just dust yourself off and get back up and try the next thing. And so over time I realized I knew a lot about podcasting. I was learning a lot about digital marketing. So I built a full cast, which is short for full service podcasting and it’s a full service done for you agency. And I’ve been doing that for almost four years now and been, you know, been grateful to work with some high powered entrepreneurs, some brands case with sneaker company. We’re working with a former Olympian from the 2008 gymnastics team. Just really cool people doing great things and then looking to establish their voice and present themselves as a thought leader through podcasting. So that’s the, that’s the journey that got me.

Stefanie LaHart: 08:33 Wow. it’s, it’s kind of funny because I was, I was along with you for most of that journey too. We’re similar ages and I went through the up and downs of the.com bubble too, and, and figuring out have I made it? No, I didn’t make it. Am I starting over? But you know, one of the things, you know, like you said is like not only do you have to be comfortable failing, but you have to be really comfortable trying new things. You know, just giving something a shot and not getting stuck. And I think that’s one of the things that I’ve seen you do so well on social media as really trying the different platforms as they come out and being willing to, you know, try it, you know, see what, what they can do to build your audience or to reach out to people or to have those conversations at all.

Stefanie LaHart: 09:13 And I know that is part of what you do at full cast too, right? You provide the social media assets for yeah, for the podcasters because that is important too. It’s like great that you are a podcast or, but then how do you also make sure that you are spreading the word that your podcast is available. So within the social media space, can you give us like maybe your top two tips of what you think people should be doing on social media and what they shouldn’t be doing on social media in so far as like building your business?

Harry Duran: 09:45 Well, I’ll start with the, should not say one of the we should not try to immediately if you’re just getting started. And, and for me, I have content to produce to share on social media, which is the podcast episodes. In the beginning it was me wanting to share the episodes has come out and just letting people know that that was available. And if you, if you try to be, depending how much time you have, but you, you can’t be everywhere at all times. So a lot of people just repurposed content so they just turn on all those switches and Facebook or Twitter or vice versa, whatever it is that allows you to automatically post from Facebook to Twitter or from Twitter to Facebook. And the problem with that is you’re not showing people that you understand that specific platform. And so you can see like shared from Twitter, shared from Facebook and the images get cut off because you know Twitter shows images different than LinkedIn than, than Facebook.

Harry Duran: 10:41 And a lot of times you can easily tell when someone is just basically clicked all the buttons and some of the hosting companies, they make it easy to share too. But you don’t really get the sense that it’s a, that that’s you posting directly. It’s just you clicking all the, the, the, the repurpose icons or the reshare icon. So that’s one of the big things I think is a big temptation cause you’re like, well I just want to be everywhere and I just to let you know, I’ll just let the, let the automation happen. But the automation, you sort of lose that connectivity. So I think I’m doing that. And then not creating graphics or artwork specific for the platform because canvas is a great tool. Canva.Com it gives you the actual dimensions for a Twitter post, for a LinkedIn post, for a Facebook post.

Harry Duran: 11:19 So use that. You don’t have to, you know, work hard to reinvent the wheel. That’s already been designed for you and take the time to create graphics for that specific platform. And then in terms of things that you, you do want to do as sort of like the inverse of that. I really like taking the time and we do this for my show. We do it for our clients shows like when you’re on the specific platform, look up the tags of the people that you want to engage with. In our case we have guests on our show. So I always make sure I know what their Twitter handle is, what the, if they’re on Instagram, if they have a Facebook profile. And especially on LinkedIn, cause we work a lot with business clients. So we make sure we do is when we post it, we take the time to speak about it in a way that’s conversational.

Harry Duran: 12:03 And what a lot of people forget, for example, on LinkedIn is that you don’t see the whole post. You see that read more. And so you have to be really conscious about what that headline is. All these tips you learn about SEO, about making headlines, you know, engaging. We do that with our, the, the subject of our podcast episodes which in turn become show notes, which are essentially blog posts. But also when we think about posting on social media, we’re really conscious of like that first line. Like what do we want? How are we going to grab people’s attention and pull them in and have them click that read more, which then expands the post. So that’s something we do on LinkedIn and then we make sure we tag folks and always try to keep on top of like what the latest trends are in terms of how to face more engagement. For example, on LinkedIn, if you can get the amount of likes you can get on a post within the first 20 minutes is really critical in terms of figuring, I mean the first half hour in terms of getting that engagement. So I think the magic number right now is about 20. So if you can get, you know, your tribe, your fans, and let them know what time you’re posting, that’s, that’s helpful as well. And right now from what I’ve heard about eight hashtags is like the proper number for a LinkedIn posts

Stefanie LaHart: 13:09 For LinkedIn

Harry Duran: 13:10 From LinkedIn. Yeah. And you never want to put the link in the actual body because there’s the algorithm just like doesn’t look favorably upon that. So you want to do always want to do on LinkedIn is like here’s the episode we talked about, use a graphic and say link is in the first comment. And so you would put that there. And even like people who like to reshare articles, you know their default is going to be to like put the link to the article in the main body. But what you wanna do is just pull that out, get a graphic from the article, you know, whatever they use on the article itself. Pull that same graphic on, use it in the post and then say link to the article in the first comment.

Stefanie LaHart: 13:43 Oh, so you’re seeing, you’re seeing like a suppression, like Facebook started doing where they suppressed the things with links. Okay. Is that something that you’ve seen more like in the last six months? Cause I don’t think that was the, okay.

Harry Duran: 13:54 Yeah, I’ve seen it more in the last six months. And the people that I’m that I know in the LinkedIn community that actually have connections with folks who do this on a regular basis and do this for some high profile people, like through the grapevine it sort of comes down and they share with us like latest practices, best tips. So that’s where I’m, I’m hearing now like eight comments and use them as well because people, it helps your posts get more visible, put that common in the first link and then just ask an engaging like have a way for people to connect with you and ask them to like the post, but also ask a question at the end of each post. So if I’m sharing an episode and it’s about a productivity, the question would be what’s your most, what’s your number one productivity tip.

Harry Duran: 14:35 Because sometimes you read posts and you’re like, that was nice. And then you go onto the next one. And it’s just this like a, it’s, it’s a slight difference in the way you post it. But if I’m reading it and someone’s asking me a question and I know and I have something to contribute, it’s just human nature to say, Oh, I have a cool tool I just use and you would put it in the comments. And so all these things really increase the engagement. And you know, I’m sure it’s the same on other platforms, but we’re, we’re really focused on LinkedIn right now. We’re, we’re seeing this the more engagement you get people liking, so people liking people commenting on the likes, you go back in and you say, thanks for liking Stephanie and just kind of like get that sort of viral loop going for posts has been really important.

Harry Duran: 15:13 And then, you know, obviously do the same thing on Facebook and on Twitter. You know, you just have to be more conscious because you’ve got that, those 240 characters. So just we actually, when we post on, because the life of a tweet, I think someone, I think I heard one time that it’s like seven minutes. It’s really short, but we actually post every day for like for weekly episodes. So, you know, Monday through Friday there’ll be a tweet going out every single day. And because Twitter is, you know, they don’t like repetitive texts now what you can do is we, we, when we write show notes for guests, we, we pull out quotes, we pull out, we write about five quotes from the episode. So we use those quotes in the body of the tweets and that gives us, with that allows us to refresh content and then we create a static image for each episode.

Harry Duran: 15:59 But we also create audio grams. And so audio grams your listeners are probably familiar with it, but it’s that animated way form with a graphic and a snippet of audio, which in turn becomes a movie. And the beauty of those, why we like those so much, it’s sort of like, if you think about a Twitter feed text only, right? People scrolling through that pretty quick, you know, a post with a graphic people like, okay, they’re gonna slow down a little bit. But if a post with an animated graphic with some sound in it, then people are going to slow down. And then the next level would be an audiogram with the captions in it because people are alike. Sometimes they’re in traffic. I’m not in traffic. We don’t anyone looking at some sort of media traffic. I mean like on public transportation or you know, or walking the dog or somewhere where they can’t play like the sound out loud.

Harry Duran: 16:42 But if the captions are there, it’s going to slow them, slow them down a bit and allows them to engage with the post. But because it’s sweeter because it’s so fast, you know, we definitely like to promote for the, you know, five to seven days that an episode goes live. And then on the other platforms, what we do is once one post on LinkedIn, one post on Facebook, we’re also repurposing the content a week later on medium. Medium’s a fantastic platform for promoting content because it was created by one of the founders of Twitter. It’s made for low long form blog content. And there’s people there that you can tag that, you know, really they have actually a lot of people move their blogging platforms to, to, to medium. So again, like because we want, we never want to dictate where the conversation is happening. We want to be where people are having the conversations and so we want to make sure we’re active on all the different platforms. But again, we want to make sure we’re customizing the message where we’re posting on each of those platforms.

Stefanie LaHart: 17:34 Regarding audiograms, what do you think is a good length for an audiogram? Like a minute or two minutes. I mean, I know audiogram is like letting you upload like over 10 minutes now or something. Or like I use headliner for ours and I think they were saying like you can upload a whole show. I’m like, I wouldn’t make an audiogram. My whole show would. I like how long do you think it should be?

Harry Duran: 17:54 No, no, no you wouldn’t. Well, the guideline for me there is I go back and I look at what are the limits for a movie on or a video on Twitter and Instagram. And I think it’s 90 seconds. I think it’s 90 seconds or a minute or 90 seconds. So depending on the platform. So that’s my guide for me because I want it to play in Twitter feed. I want to play in the Instagram feed. I want people to be sharing it on their stories. So some of our clients, they, they share the video with the audiogram in their feed and some of them share it as a story because they have a look and feel for their Instagram. You know, some people like to get really fancy with like grafting the grids and so they’re, they have a really clean feed. And so what they do is they share the audiogram in the in the feed and so in this, in their stories, and then you can create some of those icons for like the way you, you, you sort of categorize your stories.

Harry Duran: 18:43 Have you seen those? So you can have one for your podcast. And so like all the, all the stories related to your podcast you can put there. So that’s something that we’ve seen is really interesting. Again, the beauty of an audio gram in a Twitter feed and Instagram is it allows people to get a sneak peek of the audio. And it, because it’s a visual medium typically is created for as a visual medium. Normally people would just see a graphic, but because they can get actually hear the audio and because you know, podcasting is an audio, a voice medium, we want them as much as quick as possible to kind of hear a little soundbite. I mean that’s the same soundbite we use to start the episodes. It’s called a cold open. But if you make, if you pick a good one, people are intrigued and they lean in and they want to hear more.

Stefanie LaHart: 19:28 So I have a question since we are the same age. I know, you know, the song by the bug lose video killed the radio scar. So did podcasting kill the video star? Here’s the thing.

Harry Duran: 19:41 80% of podcasts are consumed on mobile devices. People are on the go, like, and as much as people love video you, there’s some work involved in being in front of a screen as I’m sure you’re very worthwhile aware. And again, it speaks to how, what people’s tendencies are for how they want to create content. Some people love writing and that’s why they’re bloggers. Some people can like whip up a Facebook live every single day or an Instagram live. I don’t know how they do it, but like every day they’re there, they’re doing their like, you know, five minutes teaching on, on [inaudible] and on LinkedIn is doing that as well. And I’m like, how do you do that? Like just the discipline. It takes so much work for me to think about video and I probably overthink it, but for me, I love talking. I love being behind the mic. And so that’s why podcasting is, you know, picking up a lot of steam. But that doesn’t mean we can’t leverage some of the platforms that have actually have video. And that’s why the audios, the audiograms come in handy. But we actually do a post video, the episode on YouTube, we do in a couple of different formats. You can actually create an audiogram, which is the whole episode. Some of these are like an hour long.

Stefanie LaHart: 20:48 Yeah, that’s what I’ve seen.

Harry Duran: 20:50 Yeah. But to be honest, no one’s really going to consume a lot of content on YouTube. But what’s really important to remember is that YouTube is the number two search engine, right? So when people are searching, if you have detailed show notes and people are looking or you have a high profile guest, you know a lot of my, if you Google podcast junkies, I haven’t done it recently, but a lot of my posts on the front page, I think I, I think I have all the posts, all the links on Google for podcast junkies are mine and they, but a lot, a couple of them are YouTube and it’s because it’s the way their search engine algorithm works that people are seeing it. And again, people find the show there and then they can have act. There’s links in the YouTube description for them to subscribe to it.

Harry Duran: 21:32 And then the other thing we’ve been trying out is actually taking those audiograms and going back and posting them on YouTube and then creating a playlist. And what’s, what’s great about the creating the playlist is that the way the YouTube algorithm works I, and I have to probably confirm this, but it makes sense that recommendation for the next video is going to be something I would think that would be in a playlist because YouTube would say, Oh, this is something that’s in the playlist. Yeah. So if you put all your audiograms in the playlist, the next one up, people will be like, Oh, this is, this is a minute, I’ll listen to this one while I listen to this. And then another dustbins through a couple of ’em.

Stefanie LaHart: 22:06 I never thought of that. Oh my God, I’m going to write that one down.

Harry Duran: 22:11 It should be put in your videos and playlist because I, you know, the way the, it’s just logical that the next recommendation would say, Oh, it makes, if the, is there more in the playlist, let’s recommend that.

Stefanie LaHart: 22:22 Yeah. So I have a quick question then regarding blogs. Like you said, some people are really great bloggers, that’s their medium and all this, and we’ve seen such a rise in audio books in the last, like going on almost 20 years now. Do you think there’s any value in someone taking their blog and reading it, you know, as an audio and then putting that out as maybe even a podcast? Because, you know, I have seen many blogs where I, you know, I’ll read the first paragraph and I’m like, Oh, I’ll bookmark that, I’ll go back and then I don’t have time. So what do you think about that idea? Have you done that?

Harry Duran: 22:54 I haven’t done it, but I’ve heard some people do it and you just have to be conscious of how it’s going to be consumed and heard. And a lot of times if it feels like you’re reading, you know, it’s, it’s not gonna have any energy. So we have a couple of clients that actually write out their podcast episodes, so in a way they’re writing it out. And then she’s reading it since it’s called photo business help. It’s like 10 minute episodes. She’s doing it twice a week and she’s teaching photographers how to build an online business. But she writes, she, she likes to write out the content first and then she reads it. So in the same way, it’s similar to what like reading a blog post, but she’s, she’s writing it with the intent of reading it. So that’s just something to keep in mind that if you are going to read it, you probably want to take a pass through it and make some notes so that you read it and it sounds natural.

Harry Duran: 23:43 So don’t just whip an old blog post, start reading and think it’s gonna. It’s going to be compelling audio cause it’s probably not gonna be, but I would do it. Try to keep it short. And if you’re reading blog posts, you know, short content is really popular now. Like people are on the go. If they can have these like snippets of audio, the sound bites, you know, these podcasts under 10 minutes. I think one of this breaker is a, it’s a podcast app dynamics. I actually have a category called podcast under 20 minutes or 10 minutes. So which is great. So yeah, make it, make it short enough. Cause again, like I said, people are on the go there. They’re on their commute or on the treadmill. So if you get into their routine, podcasting is an extremely intimate medium. And that’s why I’m like, I’m on this mic so close because if you think about it, like I stepped back here like, Oh, I’m in a room and you can’t hear me that well. But now that I’m in a podcast, like we consume these on audio devices on amount, sorry, on earbuds. Right? And it’s like I’m talking into your ear and if you think about like the DJ, like the nighttime DJ like

Stefanie LaHart: 24:46 Yeah. And AMR, which is like huge thing now. I mean, who would’ve thought that like six years ago was literally an industry now. Yeah, but you’re right, it’s like somebody right in your ear, you’re having a conversation. I really love it. You gave us so many great tips. And again, what I really like about your business and what you’ve done, you know, just personally as like you are very conversational and authentic in the way that you approach things. And that is something, you know, as a social media strategist and I’m always trying to teach my clients and my my students is that, you know, you have to be in the conversation. You can’t just be on the content crank mill because for as much as you’re throwing things out, if people aren’t able to relate to you or feel like they can have some interaction with you, if it’s not really going to matter. And I think that’s a really good, you know, something that I’ve seen you do really well with your business, which is one of the reasons I wanted to have you on here. So I know you have a little special office offer for my listeners. So you want to tell us a little bit about that?

Harry Duran: 25:42 Yeah, I think part of the challenge when people are getting started with podcasting is there’s so much confusing information. So I put together something I called the ultimate podcast launch game plan and it talks about the six pillars you need to launch a show. So if you go to full cast.com, forward slash Stefanie with an F of course

Stefanie LaHart: 26:03 You remembered.

Harry Duran: 26:04 Yeah. and you can get a F, it’s a free download. You can download it. It’s, it’s, it has all the things you need to start to think of. If you’re thinking about starting to show like what’s up much with my number one hosting recommendation, microphone recommendation, you know, you don’t need to break the bank to get started. How you should think about where are you going to promote this show. If you’re doing remote interviews, my recommendation for that. So I’ve, I’ve, over the years I’ve noticed people were asking me the same questions. So I’ve, I’ve found that to be pretty helpful. So just got a forecast that CEO Ford slash. Stephanie,

Stefanie LaHart: 26:35 Thank you so much. Ah, and that URL will also be in the show notes and on our blog page so we will have links to Harry and his and the free download. And all of us socials. I highly recommend you follow him. He is a master at what he does. He is somebody that I admire that I follow an eye. When you say to do something, I’m like, yes, that’s what I should be doing. So thank you again for taking your time with me today. Is it, wait, there’s something else.

Harry Duran: 26:59 I just want to leave a clue. There’s a closing remark cause it just reminded about that story when I came back from Atlanta with the construction company, I went home, I had a ticket to Thailand cause I had bought it. I went to visit a friend and we went there and I landed, it was like a 26 hour trip. It was amazing. We went on this, he wants to like only goes to show you this waterfall. We went up on this waterfall and he’s like, you’ve got to check the view from here. It’s going to be awesome. And I was like, yeah, I want to go do that. And then I went to on this outlook and I stepped into the stream and it was like the slippery rock. You can imagine. I went up in the air, I landed on my back and I proceeded to be carried over the edge of the falls.

Harry Duran: 27:33 This happened was happening within seconds, Stephanie. It was crazy. And it was a huge Boulder on the left hand side. And I stuck my leg out and I was able to stop myself and I was like shaking. It was just like crazy. And then he was like wide eyed and he was like, Oh my God, this is like, so while he pulled me up, you know, shaking the whole the rest of the day but eventually made, made a trip out of it, got back home to New York and it’s just like all this to say like sometimes you don’t realize this stuff until later. But I was like, man, what a shame it would have been if I had like died with my voice still inside me. And that’s like my mission now. Like I’m on a mission to help them, like a million people find their voice and you know, and thankfully podcasting has given me that platform. So that’s like, that’s the message I want to leave your listeners with. Like you should make it a point to decide like, you know, after hearing this episode that today’s the day that you decide not to let your voice stay inside of you.

Stefanie LaHart: 28:27 That is beautiful. You literally gave me goosebumps, which you can’t see on the podcast. But if you see the video later on my YouTube channel that, that’s beautiful and thank you again. You’re amazing and I appreciate your time and you guys download all the freebies that he is offering cause it is gold. So thank you so much Harry

Harry Duran: 28:44 Thanks again Stefanie.

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